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	<title>Comments on: Democracy: Is it really all that great?</title>
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		<title>By: Tuathal</title>
		<link>http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/01/27/democracy-is-it-really-all-that-great/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuathal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still haven't revealed the identity of those you claim threatened the lives of voters in the lead up to the election, stopping these people from voting . However, going by your previous comments i'm going to go ahead and assume you mean the Israeli government (I know, one should never assume, the whole ass, you, me, issue).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree that limits on peoples rights to vote is 'abhorrent to democracy', however they were still allowed to vote. Hamas were not allowed to campaign, but you concede that this was maybe understanadable.  Well, if it was understandable, whats the problem? Should they have been restricted in all Palestinian areas? Or should Israel have let them campaign in East Jerusalem, and to hell with any security problems that this raises?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don't know the name of these independent international observers as you point out. I take that the message you took from Munich is trust nobody. Still, I fail to see how we have benifited by merely avoiding American back slapping over the 'right result' when the price we pay is having Hamas in power. The status quo may have been preserved otherwise, but only temporarily. The current situation has placed a fairly large obstacle in the path of progress being made to aid the plight of the Palestinians. In fact things might get worse, with America and Europe threatening to withdraw aid to the Palestinian Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still haven&#8217;t revealed the identity of those you claim threatened the lives of voters in the lead up to the election, stopping these people from voting . However, going by your previous comments i&#8217;m going to go ahead and assume you mean the Israeli government (I know, one should never assume, the whole ass, you, me, issue).</p>
<p>I agree that limits on peoples rights to vote is &#8216;abhorrent to democracy&#8217;, however they were still allowed to vote. Hamas were not allowed to campaign, but you concede that this was maybe understanadable.  Well, if it was understandable, whats the problem? Should they have been restricted in all Palestinian areas? Or should Israel have let them campaign in East Jerusalem, and to hell with any security problems that this raises?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the name of these independent international observers as you point out. I take that the message you took from Munich is trust nobody. Still, I fail to see how we have benifited by merely avoiding American back slapping over the &#8216;right result&#8217; when the price we pay is having Hamas in power. The status quo may have been preserved otherwise, but only temporarily. The current situation has placed a fairly large obstacle in the path of progress being made to aid the plight of the Palestinians. In fact things might get worse, with America and Europe threatening to withdraw aid to the Palestinian Government.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinians in East Jerusalem were only allowed to vote inthe elections as a concession by the Israeli government a week before the elections. Any sort of intervention or placing limits on individuals rights to vote or participate is abhorent to democracy. Hamas were not allowed to campaign within this region which may be understandable, but the reality is they were permitted to campaign in Palestinian territories- the inconsistencies and control Israel feels it is entitled to in the elections to another Parliament is ridiculous and a disgrace.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A gloating press conference would be one example of the back slapping that would go on were the 'right' results achieved, such results would preserve the staus quo of punishment and terror of Palestinians, like I referred to in reviewing 'Munich' what is presented by international observers should be questioned. Are these the same international observers that cover suicide bombings extensively but ignore the mass killings orchestrated by Israel in response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinians in East Jerusalem were only allowed to vote inthe elections as a concession by the Israeli government a week before the elections. Any sort of intervention or placing limits on individuals rights to vote or participate is abhorent to democracy. Hamas were not allowed to campaign within this region which may be understandable, but the reality is they were permitted to campaign in Palestinian territories- the inconsistencies and control Israel feels it is entitled to in the elections to another Parliament is ridiculous and a disgrace.  </p>
<p>A gloating press conference would be one example of the back slapping that would go on were the &#8216;right&#8217; results achieved, such results would preserve the staus quo of punishment and terror of Palestinians, like I referred to in reviewing &#8216;Munich&#8217; what is presented by international observers should be questioned. Are these the same international observers that cover suicide bombings extensively but ignore the mass killings orchestrated by Israel in response?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuathal</title>
		<link>http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/01/27/democracy-is-it-really-all-that-great/comment-page-1/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuathal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who put the people in fear of their lives, and who excluded people from voting based on their addresses? I thought these elections were considered fair and democratic by impartial international observers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And i'm unsure whether avoiding a 'gloating press conference from the White House lawn' is a sufficently good trade for a Hamas led Palestinian Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who put the people in fear of their lives, and who excluded people from voting based on their addresses? I thought these elections were considered fair and democratic by impartial international observers.</p>
<p>And i&#8217;m unsure whether avoiding a &#8216;gloating press conference from the White House lawn&#8217; is a sufficently good trade for a Hamas led Palestinian Government.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These elections would need to have been democratic for them to justify considering these results valid. People were in fear of their lives and refrained from voting, they were excluded from voting based on their addresses. These elections were nothing more than a rhetorical farce, I'm glad they backfired so as to save us from another gloating press conference from the White House lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These elections would need to have been democratic for them to justify considering these results valid. People were in fear of their lives and refrained from voting, they were excluded from voting based on their addresses. These elections were nothing more than a rhetorical farce, I&#8217;m glad they backfired so as to save us from another gloating press conference from the White House lawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post. It think Robert Fisk agreed without his article in the Irish Indo today was very much along the lines of. god dahm Demorcarcy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post. It think Robert Fisk agreed without his article in the Irish Indo today was very much along the lines of. god dahm Demorcarcy</p>
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