Comments on: The Riots and the consequences. http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/ Just another WordPress weblog Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:06:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Anonymous http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-1987 Anonymous Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:22:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-1987 i'm an irish person who lives in the north and from my observation of the love ulster parade back in 2006 i felt it a discrace to call myself irish as it was us very proud irish folks who let dublin down. in my opinion the unionists appeared dignified and and viewed the parade as a test of unity, of how accepted they would be in our capital city. how the hell will things ever unite when you have a small minority of scum' "on both divisions" who can't move beyond history. for gods sake would everyone get a real life and learn to get along, this land has lost enough lives and shed enough blood centuary after centuary. grow up ye all! i’m an irish person who lives in the north and from my observation of the love ulster parade back in 2006 i felt it a discrace to call myself irish as it was us very proud irish folks who let dublin down. in my opinion the unionists appeared dignified and and viewed the parade as a test of unity, of how accepted they would be in our capital city. how the hell will things ever unite when you have a small minority of scum’ “on both divisions” who can’t move beyond history. for gods sake would everyone get a real life and learn to get along, this land has lost enough lives and shed enough blood centuary after centuary. grow up ye all!

]]> By: Eleanor, Belfast http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-1692 Eleanor, Belfast Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:17:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-1692 I'm just an opinionated randomer... <br/><br/>Surely those that had observed this 'test' are clever enough to realise that there's only one type of person that riots, and that 'Irish' is more of an umbrella term in that the rioters were obviously a minority. The orangemen who conducted this parade were clearly thinking 'What would I do if I saw a sectarian gang who support my oppression marching down the street?' I think everyone knows they only did it so they could go 'See? SEE?!'. Thankfully it hasn't totally hindered progress in my opinion. Although Sinn Fein do, they're so very over the top. I think the old (sectarian) parties are a bit moth bitten and boring now for everyone.<br/><br/>(It's a bit late I know, but a google search popped this up and I was intrigued.) I’m just an opinionated randomer…

Surely those that had observed this ‘test’ are clever enough to realise that there’s only one type of person that riots, and that ‘Irish’ is more of an umbrella term in that the rioters were obviously a minority. The orangemen who conducted this parade were clearly thinking ‘What would I do if I saw a sectarian gang who support my oppression marching down the street?’ I think everyone knows they only did it so they could go ‘See? SEE?!’. Thankfully it hasn’t totally hindered progress in my opinion. Although Sinn Fein do, they’re so very over the top. I think the old (sectarian) parties are a bit moth bitten and boring now for everyone.

(It’s a bit late I know, but a google search popped this up and I was intrigued.)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-1207 Anonymous Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:24:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-1207 jonathan (johno) I hope the garda now know that there will be no Loyilist feet on our dublin street.c.ira. jonathan (johno) I hope the garda now know that there will be no Loyilist feet on our dublin street.c.ira.

]]> By: Simon http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-608 Simon Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:52:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-608 <em>What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.<br/></em><br/>*Blushes* thanks for reading my stuff and your kind words. What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.

*Blushes* thanks for reading my stuff and your kind words.

]]> By: Omaniblog http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-606 Omaniblog Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:36:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-606 What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.<br/><br/>You are so right. The government and police have blown it. It was their job to protect the marchers because those marchers in waiting were meant to be free to express peacefully their values.<br/><br/>You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. Whatever did the northerners think? They must have been apprehensive in the first place. They must have been courageous, and called foolhardy by some of their friends.<br/><br/>The best result this could have would be to lead to the cancellation of Easter 2006. The society is still too ambiguous about its identity to hold anything more than a Green party.<br/><br/>If you want to kill off all hope of a United Ireland, go ahead with a Green celebration. But if you want there to be any hope of a United Ireland, declare it a lost cause.<br/><br/>Celebrate what we have. Learn to love the other side. Love those who were killed by the rebels of 1916. At least the rebels of Saturday didn't kill anyone. They tried but accidentally failed.<br/><br/>I question one part of your case: "They have lost, republicanism has lost, Ireland was lost..."<br/><br/>No, they won. They set out to prevent the northerners walking down O'Connell Street, past the GPO with their symbols. In their dreams they probably believed that Pearce and Connolly et al would have wanted them to do the same.<br/><br/>Those who planned to prevent the march had no big picture of Orange and Green uniting under one banner. They simply said: they shall not pass.<br/><br/>They coaxed people out of pubs; they enticed people with a grudge against authority; they provided a vision of ultraviolence - all for the sake of the glorious dead on their side of the fence.<br/><br/>I must read your blog in future. What a great blog. What a fine piece of sustained writing. I find you like a breath of fresh air after the smoke.

You are so right. The government and police have blown it. It was their job to protect the marchers because those marchers in waiting were meant to be free to express peacefully their values.

You don’t get a second chance to make a first impression. Whatever did the northerners think? They must have been apprehensive in the first place. They must have been courageous, and called foolhardy by some of their friends.

The best result this could have would be to lead to the cancellation of Easter 2006. The society is still too ambiguous about its identity to hold anything more than a Green party.

If you want to kill off all hope of a United Ireland, go ahead with a Green celebration. But if you want there to be any hope of a United Ireland, declare it a lost cause.

Celebrate what we have. Learn to love the other side. Love those who were killed by the rebels of 1916. At least the rebels of Saturday didn’t kill anyone. They tried but accidentally failed.

I question one part of your case: “They have lost, republicanism has lost, Ireland was lost…”

No, they won. They set out to prevent the northerners walking down O’Connell Street, past the GPO with their symbols. In their dreams they probably believed that Pearce and Connolly et al would have wanted them to do the same.

Those who planned to prevent the march had no big picture of Orange and Green uniting under one banner. They simply said: they shall not pass.

They coaxed people out of pubs; they enticed people with a grudge against authority; they provided a vision of ultraviolence - all for the sake of the glorious dead on their side of the fence.

I must read your blog in future.

]]> By: Daedalus http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-587 Daedalus Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:10:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-587 Wow, I hadn't seen the photos. How sad. In fact, I hadn't even known about the riots until I saw the Irish blogs because they were not covered in US press. I am shocked at the extent of the damage and even more shocked about the lack of press it got here. I've even asked around the office "did you hear about the riots in Dublin?" and everyone said no. Guess it won't drive American tourists away (too bad for you! ;)<br/><br/>Y'all have come a long way - there's bound to be some idiocy like this from time to time. People like these scum are found all over the world, but they all have one thing in common: their utter disdain for peace. Sigh... Wow, I hadn’t seen the photos. How sad. In fact, I hadn’t even known about the riots until I saw the Irish blogs because they were not covered in US press. I am shocked at the extent of the damage and even more shocked about the lack of press it got here. I’ve even asked around the office “did you hear about the riots in Dublin?” and everyone said no. Guess it won’t drive American tourists away (too bad for you! ;)

Y’all have come a long way - there’s bound to be some idiocy like this from time to time. People like these scum are found all over the world, but they all have one thing in common: their utter disdain for peace. Sigh…

]]> By: Simon http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-577 Simon Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:04:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-577 I think you are in a way right culabula it was justs scumbags. but the scumbags don't riot every saturady .s oemthing brought them out on the street I think you are in a way right culabula it was justs scumbags. but the scumbags don’t riot every saturady .s oemthing brought them out on the street

]]> By: phdbird http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-575 phdbird Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-575 I couldnt believe it when I saw it on the news. I thought the images were coming from Belfast! There goes my cosy image of people in the South being rational about these things. One thing though, I was chatting to a friend who was in Dublin at the time and they reckon a lot of it was scuts who were just looking for an excuse to wreck stuff. The repercussions are going to be the same though... I couldnt believe it when I saw it on the news. I thought the images were coming from Belfast! There goes my cosy image of people in the South being rational about these things. One thing though, I was chatting to a friend who was in Dublin at the time and they reckon a lot of it was scuts who were just looking for an excuse to wreck stuff. The repercussions are going to be the same though…

]]> By: Tuathal http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-574 Tuathal Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-574 well said, Ck. well said, Ck.

]]> By: CK http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/2006/02/25/the-riots-and-the-consequences/#comment-573 CK Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:28:00 +0000 http://www.thedossingtimes.com/blog/?p=371#comment-573 Thank you Saint for well written and informative pieces which give context to these riots. News coverage was dominated by the logistics of the riots, political one upmanship over McDowell and Dublin City Council being blamed for not securing the ongoing roadworks properly. These need to be addressed of course, but I am taken aback by the outburst of violence and the attitudes of the people, however many there are, behind it. <br/><br/>I never make sweeping statements about the Troubles, I always feel the political negotiations and deadlocks reflect poorly the complexity and intensity of emotions, mainly hatred, which proliferate in the North and clearly among people in the Republic, and I have little insight into this.<br/><br/>The riots are absolutely a portrayal of the state of Irish society, yesterday was a wake up call to people, including myself who may have become complacent or apathetic about the politics of the North- there are dangerous and entrenched views that will not disappear with any level of cross border co-operation or attempts at power sharing. Thank you Saint for well written and informative pieces which give context to these riots. News coverage was dominated by the logistics of the riots, political one upmanship over McDowell and Dublin City Council being blamed for not securing the ongoing roadworks properly. These need to be addressed of course, but I am taken aback by the outburst of violence and the attitudes of the people, however many there are, behind it.

I never make sweeping statements about the Troubles, I always feel the political negotiations and deadlocks reflect poorly the complexity and intensity of emotions, mainly hatred, which proliferate in the North and clearly among people in the Republic, and I have little insight into this.

The riots are absolutely a portrayal of the state of Irish society, yesterday was a wake up call to people, including myself who may have become complacent or apathetic about the politics of the North- there are dangerous and entrenched views that will not disappear with any level of cross border co-operation or attempts at power sharing.

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