Top 6 Friday why Lisbon was voted down

6. Negativity and the French . Through out the campaign Much of the talk about the treaty was how we will become isolated , how we will be damaged and this negativity was totally encapsulated by French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner stupid quote of the campaign. The Irish will come “the first Victims” if this is rejected. It is a bit of a cliced but Ireland are a nation with “a victim mentality” We feel easily threatened and respond to it with a kind of “F**K You bravado. Some people who would have voted yes voted no just to stand up to the perceived bullying. If you say to people, do what I say or suffer people will not always back down and most cases face down the received bullying

5. Fighting the Ellite. The way the treaty was sold was terrible. One of the ways it was sold was by the great and the good acting condescendingly to the no side. There seemed to be an atmosphere of we are your betters trust us. This came from all the political parties and the media. Last night Fintan O’Toole said on BBC Newsnight that the reason it was rejected was because of Bertie Ahern making people distrustful of politicians. This is nonsense. People were distrustful of politicians far before that. Indeed we have been distrustful of anyone in power since the year dot. The fact that the likes of Fintan O’Toole stated that this is the reason is itself condescending to people who voted no. Insinuating that the no vote is not a vote against the Treaty but against the Bertie Ahern is in itself elitist. Making it seem that the no voters could not make up there minds themselves. This sort of establishment mentality of trivializing the no concerns made people more belligerent and vote no. The political parties also seemed to be talking down to the electorate. Presuming that the people would do what they say and not think for themselves. They seemed to sell the fact they themselves were saying yes rather then the contents of the treaty

4. EU Spokespeople: Lucinda and Dick Roche were not the ideal people to do early running setting out the Yes agenda while the others waited to see who would succeed Bertie Ahern. While they went much quieter towards the end of the campaign, my own experience was that they were as likely to turn people off their position or voting than support them. It defies logic to my mind that Ahern put Dick in there since he needed to sell strong on the treaty. The spokespeople on the no side might not have been any great shakes either but they had the advantage of a natural scepticism from the electorate.

3. Voting no was ‘pro-EU’: For the first time in the history of EU referenda in this country it was legitimately presented that a vote against the Lisbon treaty was a vote in favour of Europe. The people who consider themselves pro-EU were never able to rationalise a no vote in this way before since most of those opposed to EU would end up taking us out of Europe. The benefit that Libertas brought was an economically minded argument in support of the present EU which allowed those who were “neither hard left nor hard right” to vote against Lisbon and remain supportive of the EU as it is at present. That swung more people than the core 20% against Europe and allowed the no vote to win the day.

2. Class Voting: Ireland has seen an extensive sociological change over the past ten years but it is inescapable that the referendum results point to a stark difference between the more well off in this country and middle class, working class, labourers, farmers etc. Rural Ireland, fishing villages, poorer constituencies all went against Lisbon. Wealthier areas supported Lisbon but – tellingly – there were not enough of them to carry the day. Class may not have dominated our politics but the divide today suggests that a break exists between the establishment, their supporters and the rest of the country. To what extent this informs future politics is difficult to tell but I suspect that upon having delivered a swift kick to the arse, the electorate will revert to type.

1. The Treaty. The Treaty had three flaws that made it lose. One was the loss of a commissioner the other was its length. The EU is seen as a distant entity away from the control of the people. The idea that Ireland would lose what little control they had scarred people. The idea that we could have no say in important matters is not something people wanted to consider and rejected it. The control of Taxes were not set in stone. No one knew what the future of low tax Ireland would be.

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  • Luis

    Many thanks to the Irish for being the voice of millions of EU citizens who voices were shut down!

    Luis Sarmento
    Porto, Portugal

  • Paddy

    Cian wasn’t much help, was he?

    “The Treaty had three flaws that made it lose. One was the loss of a commissioner the other was its length.”

    Er, that’s two, not three.

    “…The idea that Ireland would lose what little control they had scarred people.”

    Yeah, scars are scarey.

    Add point 7: the treaty itself, the reason that many people voted No. A document that is almost impossible to read – that’s suspicious in itself. Thanks to the consolidated version (why wasn’t this presented to the voters?), it was possible to perceive the massive shift towards a federal EU state.

    By the way, why did anyone vote Yes, apart from unthinking acceptance of government, media, and institutional propaganda?

  • DOUBLEDUTCH

    Dear Irish,

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for voting NO to those anti-democratic bastards who are undermining the democratic rights of all Europeans!

    Jacob.

  • Pat

    I have never voted for Europe nor against Europe, main reason being that I have always had concerns about a large corporate entity where lobbying in Brussels as in Washington is the real power and I have no confidence that “one man one vote” has any place in a modern media savvy world and we live in economic entities as opposed to political entities.
    In an hour interview with Eamon Dunphy the only reason Declan Ganly of Libertas gave for encouraging a “Vote No” was that the Treaty was bad for Ireland, bad for Europe and bad for Democracy. Now what does Declan Ganly mean by democracy; is it 27 commissioners for 27 countries? Do we need 27 commissioner portfolios along with their staff, jobs for the boys. Isn’t this exactly what we don’t want, so let’s say we have a German Commissioner for Trade, we have an Irish Commissioner for Agriculture and in this instance the UK doesn’t have a Commissioner, do you really believe that the UK will have any less influence in Europe with regard to Trade than the Irish who have a Commissioner for Agriculture.
    Declan Ganly also says that we should directly elect the President of the EU. Nobody suggests that we should directly elect our Taoiseach. People talk about the direct election of the US President as a great example of democracy and George Bush was elected not once but twice. In my humble opinion George Bush has left a world which is a much more dangerous place and he has tried to bully entire nations into submission. Any crackpot with money to spend on PR could get elected President in an area as diverse as 27 European countries. Imagine Abramovich or some popstar as president.
    The Lisbon Treaty isn’t perfect but now we are trying to bully/blackmail the rest of Europe and Sinn Fein are laughing and looking forward to saying, “It was us who forced Europe” they still don’t understand goodwill, although they did learn that Adams was better kept in the background.
    I do think there is an issue of trust in our politicians and no it didn’t start a couple of months ago but with our ex prime minister making it up as he goes along and changing his story each day depending on what new information the Tribunal unearths without his help, I do believe cynicism is at an all time high and rightly so. And yes, the explanation of the Treaty was appalling and the Farmers’ Unions played a game which influenced a lot of people and it was too late when they decided to tell farmers to vote yes. Comments!!

  • Sarkozy’s Threat on Saturday was diabolical… If Cowen does not react to this obvious bullying then we need a new Taoiseach…

  • Pat, some great points there – not least of all re: Bush who is the perfect example of democracy not working, having lost the 2000 popular vote.
    The Irish governemnt has a lot to answer for in so far as it failed to adequately inform the public of the facts. Equally however the public have played their part in this farce (regardless of the result) as most people were too lazy to inform themselves.
    The public were happy to listen to half-truths and follow pre-conceptions about politicians. I read numerous quotes of “i don’t understand it so I’m voting no”. That’s not democracy.

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